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  • Aeroi 1 hour ago
    author here. I kept digging through the Muse filesystem after my first post hit the front page here this week.

    Going through my logs I found a background agent that used a model called azure/muse-special while building my website. I found this interesting and dug a little deeper.

    The transcript and daemon binary point to an OpenAI model running on Azure. Still unclear which one or why it was selected.

    The runtime also ships with an Anthropic client and a catalogue listing Claude, GPT and Kimi models. I didn’t observe Claude being used in my own sessions, but this is my Part 2 of exploring the Muse file system.

    original post: https://x.com/heypeterjames/status/2103545183400800746

    pete at mouse dot dev

    • alexgoodhart 2 minutes ago
      What endpoint would Claude be calling?
    • haolez 1 hour ago
      Nice work!

      Are you sure this isn't just a custom model that is API-compatible with OpenAI?

      • Aeroi 44 minutes ago
        I'm not no. Someone from meta would have to chime in... but its very openai shaped and served differently from all the other models listed in the daemon, under a mysterious name.

        a fine-tuned OpenAI model on Azure for the purpose of compaction or something could make sense I guess but that would still be OpenAI's weights with meta ontop, and they already have a compaction model served under azure/avocado-compaction-v1

      • embedding-shape 1 hour ago
        If it's using the same weird (and awful) "backend prompt encryption" pattern and mechanism that Codex also uses (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48905028), then I'd also say it points to OpenAI being involved. Hopefully that shit isn't becoming a more popular pattern, absolutely awful for troubleshooting stuff.
        • junofan 39 minutes ago
          I asked muse. It’s for codex-cli, and it routes through “OpenAI inference proxy”
  • Tiberium 1 hour ago
    I don't really see evidence that it's an "OpenAI" model, the title is IMO very misleading.
    • Aeroi 1 hour ago
      Meta already serves its own models on Azure under their real names. azure/avocado-compaction-v1 and azure/avocado-memory-flush-v1 are in the same catalog. Those sessions do not come back as gpt_responses_v1 items with rs_ ids and encrypted reasoning.
      • catchnear4321 56 minutes ago
        router makes sense. fill a gap with someone else’s model wearing a mask, swap it out with your model not wearing a mask when (or if) you reach that.

        definitely tracks with alexandr’s hand-wavey influencer turn.

  • 6thbit 1 hour ago
    It'd be hilarious that meta chose to pay openai. If there was such a deal, would it come to light in any public/official filings?
    • meric_ 45 minutes ago
      No reason for it to. Software companies use products from other software companeis all the time.
    • micromacrofoot 11 minutes ago
      meta already pays openai and anthropic for employee use despite having their own models available
  • GenerWork 1 hour ago
    I'm not sure I understand why they would route it to other models. It can't be that they don't have enough compute. Maybe worried that the answer from their own models would be bad? Doesn't really make sense, but I could be missing something.
    • Aeroi 1 hour ago
      i agree, and it's what made me spend time exploring today.

      fair q. call_ ids and gAAAAA blobs arent damning but the rs_ reasoning ids embed a unix timestamp that matches the session to the second, then OpenAI's 819x marker. plus the summary is in OpenAI's summarizer voice.

      its just a best guess.

  • manav 49 minutes ago
    Muse 1.3 spark occasionally spits out Chinese character responses to me like internal instructions. “Go fast” or “Get help”…
    • sroussey 46 minutes ago
      I’ve had Claude opus do that too.
      • wincy 36 minutes ago
        I had a totally benign chat with OpenAI and it titled it as “amateur porn” in Chinese characters, it was very alarmed when I pointed the conversation name out to it. It almost never misses these days, but when it does the failure modes are very strange.
      • tclancy 38 minutes ago
        Got Russian from it once. As a child of the '80s I jumped right on it, but the explanation seemed believable.

        Still sleeping with one eye open.

      • ChickeNES 29 minutes ago
        A Hindi word in the middle of a normal reply for me (but once I translated the word it was right in context heh)
        • arshxyz 24 minutes ago
          This used to happen a lot with GPT 5.4. It would start outputting entire sentences in Korean for no apparent reason.